Trump comments about McCain being captured
Posted by John Reed on
Copyright John T. ReedRegarding Trump’s comments about McCain not being a war hero for getting captured. McCain said essentially the same thing. I saw him introduced once on TV as a war hero and he responded sheepishly with, “How does getting shot down make you a hero?”
When he ran for office I said he deserves our sympathy for what he endured when he got shot down and imprisoned, but I thought giving him medals and calling him a war hero was dubious.
McCain said in his book he was trained to take evasive action when he heard a certain tone in his headset. It meant a radar guided SAM was locked into on him. He said out of some “mad bravery,” he did NOT take the evasive action. That’s stupid, not heroic, and I surmise the McCain who wrote the book would agree.
Both his shoulders were broken when he ejected. I never ejected but I was a paratrooper in the Army. We were taught to keep our elbows tight against our body and legs tight together to avoid injury when the chute opened. “Get compact” was the phrase they used.
I suspect McCain was taught something similar but ignored it. My logic? He is the only pilot I have ever heard of who got both shoulders broken when he ejected. To paraphrase General Patton, you don’t get to be a hero by breaking your own shoulders.
The media makes much of his being offered release by the North Vietnamese if he would renounce the war. He declined. That is not heroic. It is compliance with the Code of Conduct. He did not refuse to leave. If the North Vietnamese wanted to release him they could have taken him to a neutral country and said goodbye. He would have had no say.
What he did was turn down a deal to give aid and comfort to the enemy, treason, in return for a release. I put all this in an article back during the 2008 campaign.
The article about Trump finally answered a question I have long had. Why didn’t Trump serve in the U.S. military? He is the same age as me and I am a Vietnam vet.
He got a medical deferment for a bone spur. He does not remember which heel it is on. He was a rich kid. I suspect a lot of less shrewd families’ sons with the same bone spur served.
Why a medical deferment? Why not, “I went in for my Army physical and flunked it?”
The story here is not that Trump said another thing that was more or less accurate but more worded for provocation than precise accuracy. It is that 100% of the media and other candidates denounced him. I think that is a manifestation of our becoming a nation of draft dodgers.
The other candidates—except for Perry and Graham—never served in the military and therefore are afraid to criticize military personnel, especially our modern VICTIM vets rather than the old World War I and II VICTOR vets.
Trump is not the first presidential candidate to destroy his candidacy by commenting accurately about McCain hype. Wes Clark was not even allowed to attend the 2008 Democrat convention because he pointed out—accurately—that McCain never commanded troops in combat. His only command job was to be in charge of a training company, a job so low that even I had it once.
Ronald and Nancy Reagan were McCain fans—until he cheated on his first wife and married his current one. But they made no public comment.
McCain is a piece of crap, but you can’t say it because he is a “war hero.” If McCain had any class, character, or integrity, he would say now what I’m quoting him as having said previously above. He should say he does not think Trump should be president, but that Trump’s comments that becoming captured by the enemy per se does not make you a hero are correct.
What you were doing before or when you were captured may have been heroic. Heroism may have been the reason you were captured. And what you do while in captivity can be heroic. But just being captured per se is no evidence of heroism.
The plain facts of McCain’s case are he was shot down while doing his job. Military jobs are often extremely dangerous, but we are not supposed to give out medals for doing your job, even when it is extremely dangerous.
He was probably shot down because he disregarded training and orders—a complication in his story that increases the evidence that it was not evidence that he is a hero. I am not aware of anything heroic he did as a prisoner. Maybe his fellow prisoners can tell us of something. I have not seen quotes from any of them yet.
McCain has played his POW status for all it was worth and continues to do so, to his discredit. If he had not been shot down, we would not know his name. In other words, if he had followed his training and taken immediate evasive action we would not know his name. Thus, he is famous for disregarding training and orders.
In short, Trump is basically correct about McCain. I do not care for Trump. He spoke to us in person at the recent FreedomFest. I thought he acted like a mouthy ten-year-old.
I just heard them play the WHOLE Donald Trump original comment about McCain on my local conservative talk radio station. I never heard the whole thing before. Thought I had. Trump was responding to McCain saying Trump’s audiences were composed of crazies. Trump took umbrage at all 15,000 of the people in one of his recent audiences being described as crazies—not unlike how all the veteran victims groups are now taking umbrage at saying all POWs are undeserving of the title war hero. (He only spoke about McCain.)
Furthermore, in the original statement, Trump said McCain may be a war hero. That’s what I have been saying since 2008 about McCain’s time in prison. The media only runs the part where Trump said McCain was NOT a war hero.
When he spoke to us at FreedomFest, Trump complained bitterly that the media keeps taking what he said and cutting out the portions that are reasonable or that explain the other portions. He has a point. They did it with the McCain comments. ALL of them, including Fox News.
I hope Trump sticks to his guns on the McCain comments and starts quoting McCain himself saying the same thing as I did below and in my 2008 McCain article. Trump is a braggart and a overly reckless with his words. He is also all over the board not only on both sides of many issues over time but also angrily denouncing both sides. But there is no doubt Trump is far more accomplished than McCain.
McCain is a politician whose career is based totally on his having been shot down. If you could buy Trump for what he’s worth and sell him for what he claims he’s worth, you would have a substantial capital gain. But it must also be said that Trump has accomplished an enormous amount in his life. No military service and a number of failures like his airline, USFL, Atlantic City casinos, and his once-upon-a-time $900 million net worth, true, but….
In one publicity stunt, Trump noticed that NYC was taking forever to repair and reopen the Wolman skating rink in Central Park. Repairs had been scheduled to take 2.5 years. Six years later, with no progress, Trump volunteered to do it. He did so in just three months.
McaCain did not ever do any such thing, and would not know how. McCain has never so much as run a candy store and probably would fail if he tried. Trump has built a multi-billion-dollar business. Trump has no military experience, getting shot down or otherwise, but that does not rank him lower on any reasonable overall life accomplishment ladder than McCain.
McCain married the boss’s daughter, whom he started dated secretly while still being married to his first wife. His military career success, which was quite limited, was largely attributable to his being the son and grandson of two top admirals. Other than spinning his failure to evade that SAM as heroism, McCain has never accomplished a single thing in his life.
At this point, it would serve the Republicans right if Trump ran as a third-party candidate and elected Hillary. Picking a president ouht to be a more serious activity than playing Simon Says.
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